A Yeasty Fix

It’s common to hear stories from people about how they started a yeast starter but forgot about it and had to throw it away.

Another common comment is about how finicky people assume starters are.

Yes, there are some things to keep in mind and understand about yeast when keeping a starter. However it doesn’t have to difficult to keep a starter. And yeast is much healthier than most people assume. You have to remember that yeast is found in the air around us. It lives on our skin and is an invisible friend. It was created to survive in the same world that we live in.

One of the common misconceptions that I find people perpetuates in starting and feeding yeast is that you have to have a wet starter. Ever since I posted about keeping a drier starter, more and more people are talking about how they now keep a dry starter. And before I posted on my blog, I talked about this in community pages. In one thread a microbiologist agreed that it made more sense to keep a drier starter of yeast.

The benefit of keeping a drier yeast is that you do not have hooch (a liquid layer on top of your starter) by week’s end.

I firmly believe that hooch is an indication that your environment for your starter is out of balance. Excess water created a home for bacteria and mold to grow and ultimately lead to a situation where you have to throw your starter out. Once mold forms, there’s nothing you can do to resuscitate your yeast. That is the one kiss of death to starter.

And mold loves water.

If you keep your water levels in check, you don’t have to do anything else to prevent mold.

How can I state that with surety?

Let’s just say that the Christmas season was so busy that I forgot about my yeast for an entire month! Perhaps over a month… I last used my starter for Thanksgiving and forgot about it until after the New Year.

My Neglected Starter

If you pulled this out of your fridge what would your reaction be?

This “black” layer is hooch that is showing that my starter is sick and anemic.

Usually I remember my yeast when I haven’t used it for two weeks. It has this layer of hooch on it, but it’s clear. This is the worst that I’ve been a bad yeast mom. BUT I did not kill it.

My initial thought was, “well it’s a good thing I have a freezer yeast back up.” (There will be a future post on this. Now that I have four years invested in this starter, I want to make sure that I have a back up starter that I can fall back on Incase I really blow it and lose my main mother.)

The first thing I did was remove the lid, look for mold and sniff test my starter.

With no mold, I knew I could recover this yeast. And the sniff test confirmed that I hadn’t killed off my yeast. It still had a sour dough tang scent with no additional scent (which would be an indication of a colony of something different from my yeast). My starter smelt weak/anemic. And that’s because it was.

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Recovery

The hooch is guaranteed to be where additional growth, competing with my yeast, is living. So first things first, I poured off all the hooch.

As you can see here, there was still some discoloration with the presence of left over hooch.

When I fix neglected starter I always start with a fresh/clean mason jar. I do this because everything about healthy and unhealthy starter is microscopic. I want to minimize the transfer of anything but the yeast I’m rescuing.

Since I don’t want to transfer this tainted hooch, I take a spoon and scoop out this liquid and the top layer of starter.

It’s important to remove the top layer because it was in contact with the pooled hooch. It will be the part of the starter that has the higher counts of any of the foreign colonies (if any is present).

If you want to be extra careful about to continuing contamination, you’ll want to make sure and use a clean spoon with each scoop.

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I didn’t take a picture after the first scoop, but this is after a couple of scoops. As you can see in this above picture, there is a distinct color difference between that sickly top layer and this more beige color.

This color difference is a good indication of what needs to be removed and what can be salvaged.

The white layer was watery, pasty, and had every indication of “do not keep me”. The beige layer beneath had a cake batter like texture and looked “healthier” even if this rich color is darker than the color of my normal starter.

Nature is good with communicating information by using layers. So I follow what my yeast tells be and grew confidence that I could absolutely save this starter without having to get the yeast out of my deep freezer and hope I could make that work.

Now that I had the information I needed, I finished scooping out all the left over hooch and the white layer.

With everything removed, I grabbed my clean jar and started scooping out starter from this jar and depositing it in the new jar.

Because I wanted to minimize anything that might be deeper in the jar, I only scooped out starter from the center. I was careful not to get starter from the sides of the jar or from the bottom.

The top left is the old jar. The bottom right is my new jar transfer.

Normally I try to transfer as much starter as I can scrape out of the jar. This is an instance where that was not going to happen. Again, my goal here was to stay away from any potential starter that was exposed to the hooch.

The good news is that even if all you have to transfer is a couple of soup spoons worth of starter, that’s enough to recolonize a starter.

The amount of starter that I estimate I put in the clean jar was maybe 1/4 Cup. (I’m not as confident about guessing how many grams as this is the unit of measurement that I didn’t grow up using. However because I use the metric system for bread making, 50-75 grams is definitely more than enough to restart your starter for the ability of having enough yeast in your colony for bread making in a day or two.) Even the tiniest amount of transfer starter is enough to get you going again. Just know that until you build your colony up, your raise time is going to be slow and weak. You do have yeast, it will just take time to build your numbers back up.

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Next I added salt into the yeast that I just transferred. As you can see above, I used about a teaspoon worth.

In Meet Frankenstein I talked about the gluten free starter I made and how I had to bring that one back to health. That starter had a different issue that I was resuscitating it back from, but the treatment is still the same… salt. The reason why salt is your first aid for wild yeast starter is because the salt creates an environment that decreases the growth of everything that is competing with your yeast colony. And at the same time salt does not affect the growth of your yeast.

At a previous time I had used 2-3 teaspoons of salt for a starter that was healthier than this one. My starter bounced back quickly. It made my first batch of bread excessively salty. (So make sure that your first bread after a treatment cut back on the salt.) Even still there was no negative effect of the salt on my starter. So don’t feel like you can be too heavy handed. I still wouldn’t put in an absence amount. First you just don’t need it. Second, if you treat all your kitchen resources as valuable (whether they become scarce or just because it frees up a few cents to put elsewhere in your budget) you just use what you need to use to get the job down.

Now can you use too little???

I haven’t yet experimented on how little you can get by to bring your yeast back into health. Here’s what I would look for though if I suddenly ran out of salt and only had a pinch to put in. If my yeast became discolored, hooch formed again, if the hooch is not clear, there is an off scent to your starter… add more salt.

Once the salt is in the jar, give the starter a good stir. This gets the salt where you want it working. If you feed your starter first, the salt is going to be diluted.

When I first started on my journey with a starter I noticed that I don’t stir as thoroughly as I thought I did. Originally I ended up with starter kept on the bottom of my jar and hydrated flour on the top of my jar. That’s another story for another day. But that’s how I came to understand that just because you have a consistency that you think is right, it doesn’t mean that you thoroughly stir and blended everything.

So that is why when I treat with salt, I treat my starter first. Then I feed it.

After the salt treatment I start my feeding process. Water first!

I changed the way that I feed my starter. I now start my feeding with water because this dilutes yeast and ensures that it’s fully incorporated throughout the fed starter. There is no second guessing if I’ve stirred enough to completely incorporate the yeast into the flour. The colony is spread out entirely through all of the water. So when I stir in the flour, everything that is wet has yeast.

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As you can see here, there is no doubt that my starter and water are fully incorporated. And it just takes a couple stirs, less than my eggs take when I scramble them.

Bread Recipe That Hasn’t Failed Me is the post where I share my bread recipe that I always use. And since I know how much starter that I need to make two loaves of bread, I know exactly how much to feed my starter. I use 300g so when I pour the water, I aim for 150g. And that means that I also start off with 150g of flour. Once I have that measurement in my mason jar I stir it and check my consistency. Depending on the humidity levels in my house, I tend to always add about 15-20g more flour. This gives me a thick brownie batter consistency. When I keep my starter with this thicker consistency I never have hooch (unless I neglect it for longer than 2 weeks–and that error is on me).

And as you can see with the picture on above right, I stir my flour in just enough to incorporate it into the yeast water. The flour is the food for the yeast, so as long as the yeast water is connected and mixed in with the flour the yeast will find its food and go to town.

As a little side note, I make bread one to two times a week. By the time I get to my yeast, these flour lumps are no longer there. The flour continues to hydrate during the rise time.

I keep my yeast in a quart jar. After a feeding, my starter fills around half the jar. I don’t keep a rubber band around my jar because I know that my yeast is ready when it reaches the top of my jar.

As you see here, my yeast still needed to rise a bit more. But the time in my day was running out and needed to make my bread dough, so I cut my time short.

TIP: My mom hack for making bread with no time to do it during the day is that I make my dough after dinner (right before I start to relax for the night), put it in my bread molds, and let it proof in my oven over night. When I wake up in the morning I turn on my oven (without touching my bread and deflating my rise) and let it cook. By the time lunch comes around, my bread is cooled and ready to slice.

Normally, when I leave my starter out on my counter to double, it takes anywhere from 1-3 hours depending on how cool my house is. When I took the above picture (directly before making a batch of bread) 9 hours have passed and it really could have used another hour our two.

My starter took this long to grow even that much was because the yeast was weak from being neglected. This didn’t concern me. I would have been concerned if there was no rise at all. But obviously I have yeast in there and they were doing their job.

I took a picture of the top of the jar, with the only thing I did was remove the lid, so you could see that there was no hooch. There was no discoloration. This picture tells you nothing as far as smell. But it was predominantly the sour yeasty smell. BUT there was also a flour smell to it. You will notice this flour note when you first feed your starter because you have unprocessed flour in the jar. The fact that the yeast had grown and ate the flour, the smell of flour tells me that the yeast is still weak and the flour hasn’t been all eaten up. This doesn’t raise any red flags. It just tells me that I should expect my proofing to take longer than if my yeast is healthy and happy.

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What to Expect After Treating Your Yeast

As I mentioned above, the first thing you should expect is that your yeast is going to take longer to double. I mentioned that my yeast, in my home, normally takes 1-3 hours to double. If I feed my yeast and immediately store it in my fridge, it will double in about 3 days.

Because of how long it took my yeast to double after this treatment, had I put it in my fridge after feeding, it probably would have taken a 5-7 days to double. My guess is about 5 days because that’s how long it took when I treated my starter before after 2 weeks of neglect.

The point to this is that you should expect your yeast to double over a much longer time. There’s nothing wrong with your yeast. It just takes it a hot minute to start eating and doubling its colony population.

Once your yeast has come to a usable stage, the next thing that you should expect is that the flavor is going to be off. If your starter has a sour smell and flavor to it, this first doubling time is going to make it milder

almost no sour flavor

The mild flavor isn’t going to be an issue. What will be an issue is the fact that you will be able to taste the salt that you used to treat your starter.

If you choose to use your starter as usual, and keep true to your recipe, you will most definitely taste that your bread is more salty.

The time that I aggressively salted my starter and used my bread recipe as usual, the bread was inedible for sandwiches. I had to use the bread differently–namely as grilled sandwiches and as bread cubes or crumbs for a recipe.

INSTEAD go ahead and alter your bread recipe up front.

With the bread recipe that I use, I now immediately halve my salt portion of the recipe. So instead of using 22g of salt I use 11g. By doing this there was no change in the saltiness of the bread. It tasted normal.

I know that most people don’t taste this difference that I do, but using treated starter in a bread recipe (even when you cut back on the salt portion of your recipe) tastes exactly like the dry active yeast that you buy in the store. I’ve always had this problem with the flavor of bread from conventional dry active yeast. I always had to add herbs to get a bread that tasted good (garlic, onion, oregano, rosemary, etc.).

In the same manner, with the bread that I made with this recovery from a month long neglect I had to add ground herbs. So in addition to the dry ingredients that are in the bread recipe, I added:

(Herbs were from my garden this year and dehydrated for winter use)

  • 1 tsp ground oregano
  • 1 tsp ground rosemary

And for the salt portion of the recipe I used garlic salt instead of standard salt.

I mention this because I want to inspire you to use other ingredients with your bread making, especially when you’re compensating for weak/recovering starter. These herbs do nothing to change the function of your bread rising. But it absolutely makes your bread more enjoyable.


Do you have any questions about the starter that you’ve been keeping? Comment below.


Links to previous bread and yeast related posts:

Valuable Resources

If you have limited resources or want to know how to make a no discard starter, this post will get you started.

Bread Recipe that Hasn’t Failed Me

I share with you my favorite bread recipe as well as how to make pull apart rolls.

Meet Frankenstein

If you’re looking for how to make a gluten free starter, here is how I made a starter from potatoes. I also share with you how I overcame my first major obstacle with creating a starter.

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Meet Frankenstein

Honestly, I should know better! Names have power. And the last time anything was very aptly named in my family was when my sister named her goldfish Sushi. It ate all the other fish in the tank.

I should have known that naming a starter Frankenstein was going to be a wild ride. But I’ll come back to that in a moment.

Today is the last day of this miniseries talking about yeast and bread making. I wanted to finish with my experience in making a Gluten Free alternative for in those who cannot keep a starter with flour, because of dietary restrictions. Because everyone should have the opportunity to keep a starter that meets their needs.

When I told my Mother in Law my plans for making a starter (my original flour starter), she was so excited and told me that I had to make a potato starter. She remembers having one from when she was a girl, but couldn’t find her recipe. And her memory was very limited in that process. She heard me out with my flour starter and insisted that it was just as simple and the same to make it from potato.

Of course I tried to verify everything she described with what everyone else has posted on Pinterest. And no, what my Mother in Law told me was different from what everyone else is doing. I’ll save you the search, unless you want to go down that rabbit hole. The rest of the world is making their potato starter using instant potatoes.

If you have a potato starter and use instant potatoes can you humor me and check the ingredients on the side of your box?

If you are comfortable with everything you see there, then I won’t say another word on that subject. Keep your starter healthy and keep making that glorious bread in your kitchen!

If you see anything there that you might not have been aware of or want to move toward a starter with fewer ingredients, you can transition your feed to using just a potato. I’ll show you how.

The Set Up

The little bit of information that I did receive from my Mother in Law was that the potato start from her childhood was just a boiled potato mixed with water.

Believe me I know exactly what you’re thinking! I thought the same thing.

There was not enough information to start with. What do you do with the potato? …I won’t bog you down with the list of questions that I had. Even with a degree in history, and having professors who assigned me to make food from out of circulation recipes, I had high hopes of finding some old recipe to work with. And all I had in the end was boiled potato and water.

BUT I wanted to make this experiment, with the thought in mind: How do you make yeast start with just what you can find in your pantry or garden?

It was a what-the-heck moment. Let’s do this thing!

I grabbed a potato, peeled and cubed it. Put it in a sauce pan with water and cooked that potato like I would mash potatoes. Only this time the seasoning, butter, and milk stayed where they were. Once the potatoes were soft, I removed them from the heat and reserved the water I boiled with. We all know that when you cook, all vitamins and nutrience end up in the cooking water. And I had no idea if the potato or the water has the stuff I want. (Also there’s the side objective of trying not to waste resources.)

And here is where I ended up with two potato starters. I didn’t have faith in my Mother in Law’s lack of directions. (To be fair, she hadn’t used this method in many decades and probably thought she never would.) So I chickened out and took Method Two. But the next day I decided I was doing myself a disservice by not attempting my Mother in Law’s way. If it failed, at least I had the other starter to fall back on.

METHOD ONE

  1. Mash the potatoes. In hind sight I didn’t mash them as smoothly as I wanted. The chunks are very obvious. But rest assured, even if your potatoes are chunky, you will still get healthy and viable starter.
  2. Mix in some of the cooking water. This is going to be a wet starter. So think between toothpaste and stew consistency.

I named this starter Carolyn.

METHOD TWO

  1. Mash the potatoes. In hind sight I didn’t mash them as smoothly as I wanted. The chunks are very obvious. But rest assured, even if your potatoes are chunky, you will still get healthy and viable starter.
  2. Mix in some of the cooking water. This is going to be a wet starter. So think between toothpaste and stew consistency.
  3. Add a couple Tbsp of starter from an established yeast.

I named this starter Frankenstein.

Why would Method Two work?

When researching about starters, you learn that you can turn a gluten based starter into a gluten free starter by slowly changing its food source away from being wheat based to your GF flour of choice.

I didn’t do the gradual change, because the food source and environment was completely different. So I just jumped all in and went at it from a science lab experiment of inoculating yeast into a new medium.

What if I’m transitioning my existing potato starter from potato flakes to potato?

The standard method of transitioning starters to a new food source is to feed on the following schedule:

Transition Day 1: Use 75% old food source + 25% new food source.

Transition Day 2: Use 50% old food source + 50% new food source.

Transition Day 3: Use 25% old food source + 75% new food source.

Transition Day 4: Use 100% new food source.

All the transitioning experts assure their audience that even with a gluten starter transitioning to gluten free, the more you feed the starter without the gluten food source, the more your starter transforms into gluten free. If you are GF by choice, you are good to start using your transitioned starter after day 3. If you are GF for medical reasons, then there comes an educated decision based off of your sensitivity. If you are very sensitive, and know your levels, you can do the math to determine what an acceptable amount for consumption is. Your bread recipe is going to have a yeast to flour ration, giving you an overall percentage. On Day 4, there is potentially a 62.5% gluten level in the yeast. Day 5, that drops down to 31.25%. Day 6, 15.63%. And so on. Now if your bread recipe keeps the baker’s ratio for bread making (2% of flour weight), Day 4 has a potential gluten amount of 1.25%. Day 5 has a potential amount of 0.63% in the bread. So you can see how this is an educated based decision of what is acceptable for your body.

Please note: I have not transitioned a yeast to a new food source other than what I did to Frankenstein. So I have no idea if Frankenstein is what’s normally expected, or just some fluke that succeeded. And Frankenstein I didn’t transitioned at all. I just dropped flour based yeast in a room temperature environment of potato and water.

Picture 1 is Frankenstein. Picture 2 is Carolyn. These are just my starting point, pictorial references. So at least you have something to compare your potato starter with.

As a time saver for feeding, I boiled a couple of potatoes at the same time. I saved the left over mash and cooking water, and kept them in the fridge. When I was prepping for a feeding (twice a day) I took the mash and water out about an hour ahead of feeding time, so it could come to room temperature.

Day Two

I continued with a 2 time a day feeding of potato mash and the cooking water.

What I did not count on was Frankenstein (picture 2)!

Let me give you a close up on two of pictures in the set. In the above picture (picture two, top row, second from the left) you will notice that Frankenstein had clear striation between solid and liquid. When I placed a scraper in and gave to couple mixes to reincorporate the components for a feeding, I got Picture 1 (below). Frankenstein was alive!

I have never seen this kind of reaction in my life, especially in the world of yeast. This yeast, I called Frankenstein, was going crazy! In fact, Picture 2 (above) is the still of what I saw. There was movement in the jar that was very reminiscent of a lava lamp.

I mention all of this because if you decide to inoculate you potato start with another start, just to get active yeast from the get go, and you see foaming activity like this know that you are not alone. It happened to me and I have the photographic proof to prove it. The smell is standard for starter. It’s just the yeast activity that is the only difference.

What I fed Frankenstein and Carolyn were the same potato and cooking water. The only difference between the two starters is the origin of yeast. And that yeast came from my AP flour based starter, which never acted this way either.

Day 3

Continue with the 2 times a day feeding of potato mash and cooking water.

The activity with Frankenstein was still happening, but to a lesser level. Here are some pictures to show you where that starter was. I don’t seem to still have pictures for Carolyn.

I stopped taking pictures of Carolyn on Day 3 because I had some research to do.

If you remember from Valuable Resources, I mentioned things to look out for when keeping a starter. Your starter should never have mold, spores, or color on top. Neither should it have an acetone smell. On Day 5/6, I posted on Facebook, how Carolyn started smelling like butter.

Freddy is my flour starter.

I’m going to pause here and just let my post communicate what happened to my 100% potato start.

Here’s what happened, Carolyn was well on the path of turning herself into vodka. This will be a common problem, correcting Diacetyl, when you have a potato starter. This is because its potato based, not wheat based.

What I learned from Carolyn, and making a starter with next to no knowledge with what you’re doing, is that you HAVE to go back to a source that you know. Yes, I was making a starter. But this problem was not covered in anything written about sour dough starter for bread. It didn’t make much sense to look into the world of vodka making other than the fact that vodka making starts with a potato mash, which is exactly how Carolyn started. And within minutes of looking at sources in the vodka world, I found my answer.

For those curious, what caused the Diacetyl? It could have been a bacterial contamination. Or it could have been that this starter had oxidized. (Remember that yeast has anaerobic respiration.) I happen to believe that this time it was oxidation, because it happened on Day 3 which is when Diacetyl enters production of beer brewing. And all your alcohols have tools to keep oxygen out of your cultivation.

How did I heal Carolyn from Diacetyl?

There were a few options from the brewing and Vodka world. I started with adding salt into my starter (probably about 1 1/2 tsp worth. I guessed the measurement, and added a little bit more than what I thought I needed). This time, all I needed was the salt. The next day the butter smell was gone.

I cannot stress this enough. No matter what medium you use to feed your starter, yeast is a living organism. Every time you open your container to use or feed your starter, always visually check its health and smell it. Your yeast will tell you when something is wrong. And when you catch it quickly, you can tend to your yeast and keep it from going bad on you. It can turn around and come back into health.

Here is a picture of how Carolyn started showing evidence of being healthy and active.

And the Pay Out

Nothing shows the yeast is active and healthy until you produce bread from your starter. This was the potato bread that I made from Frankenstein while I was tending to Carolyn.

Is there a flavor difference between bread baked from Carolyn (100% potato start) vs. Frankenstein (potato started with flour fed yeast)?

I preferred the flavor from Frankenstein. Even though I followed a potato bread recipe, Frankenstein had a blend of flavor between store bought potato bread and homemade sour dough bread. Carolyn produced bread that didn’t taste anything like potato bread. The loaves turned out like they should, the flavor was just off.

To be honest, it’s hard to say if there was something deficient with Carolyn or if the difference I tasted was the true difference between the two different methods of potato starter. This was also the point in time where my life got super busy and I could not keep up with keeping 3 starters. So shortly after baking with Carolyn, I let go of the two potato starters and kept feeding my flour starter.

Final Thoughts

There are several different reasons why making a starter from potatoes is a great idea. For example, I grow potatoes in my garden but not wheat. If I ever came to a place where I could not source the amount of flour that I use (to keep my boys in bread) than a potato starter would be amazing to conserve flour and use up the potatoes I grow.

You can make potato starter from potato and water.

In fact a starter from potato and water can serve double duty by providing the yeast for bread making and for distilling vodka (for all you home brewers and wine makers looking to branch out).

Last week, in Bread Recipe that Hasn’t Failed Me, I mentioned the science behind bread making. In the case of this week’s example, caring for Carolyn required a different science. Sometimes you have to look outside the normal beaten path of bread making, to find your answers. Bakers don’t have all the answers. They are gifted with their knowledge that they’ve cultivated. But there will be times in life where bread making takes you into another field of study to find the answers to the problem(s) you are solving. So be flexible. Don’t get frustrated if you’re searching turns up as a dead end. It takes a moment to stop, breath, and take your thinking down the path that runs parallel to the one you’re on.


Thank you for going down this detour in the creative world.

Conserving resources, making something out of the barest of materials, and using what you have on hand is an art form that needs to be resuscitated in the world that we live in right now. There are options that are still at all of our finger tips.

If there is a method of making something that you want help finding a method of creation (Just like my Mother in Law’s information of taking potato and water to make potato starter) and don’t know where to start, reach out to me or leave a comment below. I want to be creative with you!


As a special bonus, here is a sneak peek to this Monday’s release, 2022 Graduate

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Valuable Resources

With inflation of food prices and rumors of food shortages, it’s really been on my heart about how and where my family sources its food. My heart especially breaks because if not in my own communities, there are most definitely places in this world where people will die from lack of food. I have connections with people outside of the US and it breaks my heart with just how food vulnerable people are.

My choices in food sourcing are not going to help people in different countries. Although I love my dream world where people in first world countries make individual choices, where as a collective all the extra food we don’t claim for ourselves gets reallocated to countries, places, and communities that are in more of a dire need of. That is my naive side that I hang on to, because I know full well that this is not how the world works.

So I focus on my local community. I have neighbors who are more food vulnerable than I am. So in being sensitive to my neighbors, who I can help, I have been changing how I shop to produce the foods from scratch that I have the knowledge to make. At various times I’ve seen the bread and dry pasta shelves bare. Even with stock at a good sale price, I still I don’t buy those items because these are two commodities I can make for myself. By not making those purchases, it frees up those resources for the families who don’t yet have the skills to make those products for themselves.

But I’m not content with just providing for my family. Not when I have the ability to help other families to provide for themselves.

Today I am focusing on helping anyone who wants to learn how to make their own bread.

I don’t know about your local market prices, but a loaf of bread runs for about $5. This does not mean that there isn’t cheaper bread to be had. But this is the average price if you look at all the shelf labels. Before my boys were born the average price was $1 a loaf, no matter what the brand name. So if for no other reason, now is a good time to learn how to make bread so you very easily can see how you can save a couple dollars every shopping trip, where you can use elsewhere in your family budget.

I want to teach you how I made No Waste Starter.

Why is this important?

When I made my Covid-Starter I researched the heck out of making a starter and the different schools of thought for bread making. Every starter tutorial out there always starts with a rather large quantity of flour and each day you throw out or discard cook half your starter. Even two years ago my thoughts were about how much of a waste of precious resource this method is. At the time flour was very plentiful, but my head went to where I can make bread when I don’t have flour to waste. And now we are most certainly in a time where many people are now finding themselves in a place where flour cannot be wasted.

I present to you my photo journal from two years ago where I made starter without discarding.

Being a historian, by education, I was fascinated with how bread has been made through the history of mankind. The feature that took over my creativity is the bread trough/bowl. Before mason jars, that we all use today, or starter crocks families used a wood trough or bowl to keep their starter.


Please note that you need to pay attention to your starter if you are using wood products to make your starter. Make sure the wood dish is clean and free of chemicals. Also note that wood holding liquid can bread bacteria. When making starter, there should be no colors or scents coming from your starter. New starter will not begin to have a sour smell until the end of a week. So if you find mold, spores of color, or any scent that does not smell like sourdough bread, throw out the starter and begin again. Wood products are viable vessels. But note that all of these potential contaminations can be found using any vessel, not just wood. So make sure your vessel is clean and you keep a clean work space while you cultivate your starter.


The vessel that you in the following pictures is an unfinished teak wood tray. The sides are raised, making it ideal of containing the starter as it grew through the feeding cycles.

DAY 1

For DAY 1 I cleaned my teak wood tray and my hands well, making sure that all soap was thoroughly rinsed off. Once ready, I mixed 2 Tablespoons of flour with equal amounts of water and mixed it together by hand on the tray. When finished mixing the pancake like batter I covered the tray with a clean tea towel to keep any foreign materials from falling into my starter and contaminating it. And then I just leave the tray out on my countertop. (My fridge was already covered with things confiscated from my boys. All my parents out there know what I’m talking about. But your countertop is just fine for your starter. It needs to be warm but in a place left alone.)

The science behind making your own starter yeast is that the water flour mixture becomes home to the natural yeast that floats in the air and lives on your hands.

DAY 2

I fed the yeast once in the morning and once in the evening. Each feeding was 2 more Tablespoons of flour and water, mixing/kneading it with clean hands. (I added the flour first and then add water to loosen it up and facilitate better incorporation. After each feeding I covered the tray with my tea towel.

As you see in the pictures, at the beginning of each feeding there was a crust on the tray and on the starter. This crust was easily dissolvable and reincorporated into the starter.

The bottom four pictures show you what I was looking at once I started working water and flour into the starter. I also show you the window test (how you tell in bread making that gluten is being formed in the bread–pull a portion up and watch how gravity pulls your dough). There is no uniformity here. So I wasn’t looking to see very much yeast activity. However, I know there is some yeast already active. Look in the first picture and you will see a couple of air bubbles (the visible presence of yeast respiration), with a very large one just off center on the bottom.

DAY 3

I continued with the morning and evening feeding of flour and water. After rehydration and incorporation of the crust and feeding, I covered the started back up.

I was excited today because there was more of a visible change that was taking place. There’s the increase in mass, but more importantly there was an increase in yeast activity. The bubbles were more prominent. (The bottom left picture is the best one for showing how much the yeast activity increased.) The middle right picture is the size of my starter, right before its feeding. The middle left and center pictures show you the change that has happened in just one day with a window test. The bottom center picture shows you the gluten structure that has formed, how sticky my starter became.

Why was I focusing on the gluten structure?

Gluten is not needed for yeast production. But I made a focus on capturing this information because gluten is what keeps the air bubbles in your bread. Gluten is an elastic structure. Without it you don’t have a way of seeing the amount of anaerobic respiration that is being produced. You can tell the health of your yeast by the size and amount of bubbles produced.

So while all the other starter methods you can read about don’t talk about gluten or keep this dry of a starter, this was an amazing process for me. I was able to see what was going on in yeast production. I could see that I was on a right track. And if you want to talk more about the science of yeast making, I can guarantee you that I have more to talk about than what is presented here. In fact, if you’re a homeschooling parent and want to have an AMAZING practical experiment for your student to see and understand respiration, this is most definitely for you!!!

The bottom right picture is my picture of impatience. I literally couldn’t wait to fry up some of the starter after a feeding. It didn’t taste great, but it didn’t taste bad. It has a sour flavor to it, but not in the classical sourdough sour. It was more like a citrus sour. It was not palatable. In fact, I took a nibble and just decided not to finish it. So when they say you can’t eat from a starter this early, it’s because it’s just not palatable.

Now if I was hard up for something to eat… I might be tempted to eat my sample here. However, I know I have enough food reserves where I’m not pressed to make this an eat vs. go hungry situation. If you are in an eat or go hungry situation try to get your yeast established before getting to this point. I would not recommend it at this point.

Side Note: I changed up my method a little bit here.

I didn’t want to keep having to deal with this crust, so after the second feeding I opted to get rid of the tea towel and switch to laying a piece of plastic wrap on top. I wanted to prevent the dehydration (which formed the crust) and retain the water content. I did not seal off the plastic wrap on the sides, just placed it on top so the starter was still somewhat exposed to the yeast in the air. I wasn’t afraid of not having yeast exposure because I was still kneading the starter with my hand for a few minutes each feeding. Plus I have the evidence that yeast is already present.

DAY 4

OMG I was literally doing a happy dance! Look at all those bubbles!!!!

Plastic wrap was most definitely NOT the material to use. Yes it did not inhibit yeast production. It’s the fact that the starter heavily clung to the plastic. There was no way I could pull or scrape starter off of the plastic wrap. There was also no way that I could reuse it. So if I’m trying to not throw any resource out, plastic wrap has better uses elsewhere. Here it’s a onetime use and a waste. (See below for what I switched to using.)

By having a less permeable cover, there was less dehydration, which I felt better about. It made the feeding quicker. And today I kept up with the morning and evening feeding.

As you can see, here in these bottom three pictures, there is more structure and less stickiness of the starter. When I pan fried this up, it was palatable fry bread. Thinking back now, after two years, I should have put a pinch of salt into the dough–bread is made up of flour, water, yeast, and salt. That is all you really need. The salt would have been something other than no flavor. Think of a salt free cracker, that is where this starter is at. If you are in dire need for food, you’re now at a point of having viable food.

I had these reusable sandwich wraps in my drawer. It’s a thicker plastic with velcro closures. I had to position the velcro on the sides so I didn’t have to clean them with every feeding. This plastic covering was a dream for yeast production because it didn’t fold in on itself and allowed me to scrape the starter off. The starter didn’t stick as much to it either. (See bottom left picture of Day 5 to see how little starter clung to the covering.

DAY 5

This was another day of morning and evening feeding. The reusable sandwich wrap still allowed a crust to form, but it was much more manageable and something I could live with for a balance between sustainability of resources and maintaining hydration. My goal is still to literally be hands on with my starter. So I still opted for the use of the tray instead of switching to a different vessel.

I was very pleased with the yeast production. And when I fried up a bit of the starter, there was now a very faint sourdough flavor to it. So that was evidence enough for me that my starter was ready for bread production.

Everyone else that I had read with about making a starter, none of them told me what it that you’re looking for is. They all just state 7 days like it’s some magical marker or transformation that happens at that point in time. I’m open to hear from anyone as to why you insist on waiting 7 days before a starter is ready for bread production. However, with years of baking bread with conventional dry fast acting yeast, and with scientific understanding of what the function of yeast is in bread, here are my indicators that your yeast is ready:

  • You can see evidence of yeast production: your starter has the same amount of bubbles as you would see in a slice of bread.
  • When you fry up starter, it produces palatable flat bread.

Okay, everyone who talks about starter says that you can’t make bread until your starter has doubled after a feeding. My yeast was already doubling before Day 5. So this indicator was not relevant for me. The two important things, hands down, are evidence of yeast being present and flavor. You won’t eat bread (whether in loaf form or flat bread) if it doesn’t taste good.

I should also note that the starter does by now have a very faint sourdough smell.

DAY 6

This was my first day of baking my own bread from my starter. I chose to make boule bread. One, the amount of yeast wasn’t as much as I keep now, but I had enough for the first recipe I tried with enough left over to feed and store. So the pictures you see here for Day 6 were the bread making process of the different kneading times and the transformation that you see with the dough as you go through the process. It went from rough lumpy looking to that beautiful smooth ball.

I’m not going to focus on this recipe or the process because it’s labor intensive. I haven’t even made a boule in several months. This is not my go to and not exactly practical for today’s busy schedule. I love boules and can probably get better height out of them, but I have a recipe and process that is much more mom friendly and something I can make every night for bread the next day. But I will talk more about that next week. I’ll give you my every day recipe next week with also my process of making rolls. Again that’s next week.

After I made this recipe, I fed the remainder of my starter and I actually transferred it into a quart size mason jar. One, my boys were starting to reach onto the counter and I didn’t want to have my work wasted because a curious boy decided to tip the tray over and knock my yeast on the floor. Two, I wasn’t (and still am not) in a position where I need to make bread every day. So for flour conservation, I put my starter in my fridge. The fridge slows the anaerobic respiration of the yeast so that you are able to feed your yeast and it is perfectly happy until you make your bread in a week.

What is the longest I’ve left my yeast untouched in the fridge?

I think it was 17 days. And boy was my yeast sad and weak. BUT even with weak yeast, I was still able to use that yeast without using a single discard and wasting precious resources. It took a little longer for my bread to proof, but the yeast pulled back in the dough and in my jar.

When do you pull your starter out of the fridge to use?

My best results have been when I take the starter out 1-3 hours before I want to use it. It warms the yeast up to an active state. But more importantly, more times than not, my yeast hasn’t finished its cycle and doubled in the fridge. But allowing it to finish it’s doubling in volume on the counter, it gets the yeast into its strongest and happiest state.

Have you used your starter while it was still cold and not yet doubled?

Yes! The yeast is still good. It’s just dormant and hasn’t used its entire food source. Here’s the drawback to using cold yeast. Your bread recipe liquid is warmed to an optimum temperature to really get your yeast excited, happy, and ready to eat. When it’s cold and put into a warm liquid, the temperature change can be a shock. And it does take longer for your yeast to get happy and get busy proofing your bread. So it’s not ideal using your yeast cold, but it’s not a deal breaker.

Remember, yeast is a living organism. It has certain conditions that make it happy and productive. It’s so easy to think of yeast as a non-living organism, but that’s not the truth. Yeast lives. It has an environment that is ideal. And when you recognize that, you can set your yeast up for great success in making bread.

When do you feed your starter?

I take my starter out of the fridge. Get it to room temperature and double in volume. Once the starter has doubled, I measure out the portion I need for my bread recipe. What remains in my mason jar, I clean up my jar by scraping down the remaining yeast with a silicone scraper. Then I add the flour and water, mix it well and put the lid back on. Then back to the fridge it goes until I cook another batch of bread.

How much do you feed your starter?

I always keep 400 grams of starter on hand. It fills a quart size mason jar about half way. This makes it easy to tell when my yeast has doubled without needing to do the rubber band trick that I saw all the time in tutorial videos.

Whatever weight of starter I take out for a recipe is what I replace with weight of flour and water for feeding. For example, if I take out 300 grams of starter, I put back in 170 grams of flour and 130 grams of water. The appearance of my starter is a little bit looser than you see in the pictures above, but I do keep my starter thicker than what I see everyone else keeping theirs at.

The most important reason for this is that this is what makes my yeast the most happy. My yeast remains strong and healthy and I have only had hooch in my mason jar one time in 2 years. The hooch formed because my water content was too high for the flour content. The yeast ate through all the flour and couldn’t use all the water. So it’s my opinion that if you have a problem with hooch, try feeding your starter less water.

Besides hooch production, excess water is going to add to the odds that you will through your starter environment off and make it ripe for other things to grow in your starter like bacteria and mold–which you will have to throw your starter out.

Another problem happens with too much water, the smell of acetone. I haven’t had this problem with my flour based starter, but it did happen with my potato starter. I’ll talk more about this is the post for the potato starter. But it happened because there was too much water. And this problem you can solve by adding salt into your starter. The salt balances out the starter’s environment and makes it inhospitable for the presence of bacteria that has started to set up shop in your starter. So know that the moment you smell your starter having an off scent, don’t wait to see if it goes away. Add a teaspoon or two of salt and be preventative. If you wait, you run the chance of losing your starter.

Is All Purpose Flour okay, or do I need bread flour?

I prefer All Purpose Flour. One time I bought a 25 pound bag of bread flour and immediately regretted it with the first batch of bread I made. Bread flour is supposed to only have a higher content of wheat protein in it to create more gluten. However it threw the salt content off on my bread. Even after I lowered the salt content in my recipe (by half), the flavor of the bread was still off. You may or may not notice the change in flavor, but I did. My boys did. So do not feel pressured into needing specialty flour to be able to make bread at home. In fact, I’ve received comments (from friends and family that I’ve gifted bread to) that what I made them tasted like high quality restaurant bread. And all I used was All Purpose Flour.

Side note: I’ve tried working with other flours to make gluten free bread. I’ve not yet found success in that experimental process. I have found success in making gluten free starter from potato–which will be featured in an upcoming post (it should be in two weeks). If I finally find gluten free flour (mixture) that I love in bread, I will quickly and excitedly share that because I have great love for bread. But I’m not going to share anything that I’m not passionate about.

Is there a difference between bleached and unbleached flour?

As far as quality of bread, I haven’t noticed a difference that makes me have a preference one way or another. I personally like using unbleached flour over all for everything. So that’s generally what I have in my pantry. However, you should use the flour that you have available to you and don’t have stress over it. And don’t let people pressure you one way or another.

If you have flour that just isn’t working for you, there are ways to alter a recipe to make it more palatable for you. I had to change recipes all the time when I was using dry active yeast, because I hated the flavor that yeast produced. My easiest and quickest way of altering it without changing the results of my bread crumb was simply by adding herbs. My go to herbs were always adding about 1 teaspoon of each: garlic powder, onion powder, and oregano. The salt content never changed. The dry/wet ratio never changed. And there was just enough flavor adjustment that I could eat the bread and it didn’t change it enough to ruin the overall sandwich flavor whether grilled cheese, peanut butter and jelly, or any combination of meat sandwiches.

Every master bread maker will tell you that you have to respect the ratios of the ingredients: flour, water, salt, yeast. Anything you add to that for flavoring is just a bonus. But I’ll talk more about that next week.

If there are any questions that you have, please leave them in the comments. I want to make sure you have all the information you need.

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